Basis of belief

Many peole have different beliefs on different things. I once started a post about homosexuality. Let it be known that one of my best friends has repented for this behavior. SO I am not being judgemental. I believe everyone should base their believe on something... I base mine on the Bible. I have ask many and they just say that they believe this or that.. and then I ask them why and they say just because.. that is what I believe. So I will give you some scripture to support why I believe being homosexual is wrong. After I do this I would like to see what your base is to why you believe what you believe.

Genesis 19:5-8
5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."

Leviticus 18:22
22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.


Leviticus 20:13
13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Judges 19:22
22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him."
( Read carefully it says the men were evil)

1 Corinthians 6:9
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders (Apostle Paul said this not Pac-Man)

This is just a few scriptures to support what and why I believe what I do. If you have any questions or comments please feel free to make them known. If you do not believe this please fill us in why you believe what you believe about this topic. THank you.

[CoeburnCane]

Here's a very good lesson--don't parse 1 verse here or there--the Bible is a narrative, and while quotes/verses from that narrative are nice, in order to get the full meaning, it must be taken as a whole part. First off--I don't disagree with you. I disagree w/your logic on this and how it's presented--bear w/me.

I went and read 1 Corinthians 6:9, and the verses around it as well:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the Kingdom of God.


11And such were some of you. But ye are washed, ye are sanctified, ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.


12"All things are lawful unto me," but all things are not expedient. "All things are lawful for me," but I will not be brought under the power of any.


13"Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats," but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.


14And God hath both raised up the Lord and will also raise up us by His own power.


15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them the members of a harlot? God forbid!


16What? Know ye not that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? "For two," saith He, "shall be one flesh."
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Note the difference in translations from your scripture to this 21st Century King James Version. Not only does it say directly male prostitutes or homosexual offenders (which are both very modern bits of terminology). I'm not saying that's not what it means, I'm saying that most likely Paul did not use that wording, and may have not meant EXACTLY the same thing as the modern translation does. We have to be careful with translations down through the years, I know you're well aware of that.

Also, note in verses 15 & 16 how the disdain for being with a "harlot". IMO--Lot is welcoming the men who are looking to have sex with the men under his roof to do this very thing by offering his daughters up for sexual use. Lot was a very pious man, but I feel this may have been a human mistake on his part as it goes against another warning that Paul had made to the church at Corinth (hundreds of years after Sodom & Gommorah, mind you). He was basically asking them to trade in one sin for the other, like one was worse than the other. Sleeping with a strange woman or "harlot" is no different than sleeping with a man, the Bible states both are sinful, and all sin is equal in the eyes of God.

BTW--the 11th verse in 1 Corinthians 6 is the most important as it is the most merciful and full of good news regarding these sins--that they can be repented of and forgiven. That's where the focus should be in conversations like this, I think, not on how shameful the sins are, but that they can be forgiven just as any other sin. That's important to those who sin.

Also, some would argue that Leviticus is under the old law and was done away with when Christ came to earth, so that those verses are a moot point. Some would--I'm not, but some would.

To be exceptionally clear, I'm not disagreeing, just pointing out some weak points in your presentation, that's all.

Cane thanks for the wisdom. I believe we should read the whole scripture to get the full meaning.... but we were discussing Homosexuality. Yes drunkards, covetous.. and others wwere listed in there. I agree that sin is sin in Gods eyes and he will forgive any sin if we have remorse and ask for forgiveness. There are different translations but would you not agree that there is not a Christian translation out there that supports not condones this behavior. Sleeping with a harlot is wrong yes.. and was Lot trading in sin for another sin.. like one was worse or something? Well we as people sometimes want to say some things are worse than others but in reality.. in Gods eyes they are not.Just because Lev.. is under the law does not mean that it is not the truth... When the New Testament came along it did not do away with the Old... IS there anywhere in the NT that supports homosexuality? Homosexuality just like any other is a sin and the good news is that God loves us and will forgive us. I have to repent for things al the time.. that might seem like small things but they are still sin in the eyes of god. My life is a life of repentance... so thank od for his forgiveness!

[jtw61194]

Mark Bingham was a passenger on United Flight 93. I believe there was a movie and several documentaries made about this flight and what happened to it. The act of attempting to overthrow the hijackers has been referred to as the U.S. first battle in the war on terror. It has been reported, pretty extensively I believe, that Mark Bigham was very influential in this attempt. He was a homosexual. How does he stand in God's eyes?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 82abn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mark Bingham was a passenger on United Flight 93. I believe there was a movie and several documentaries made about this flight and what happened to it. The act of attempting to overthrow the hijackers has been referred to as the U.S. first battle in the war on terror. It has been reported, pretty extensively I believe, that Mark Bigham was very influential in this attempt. He was a homosexual. How does he stand in God's eyes? </div></div>

Yes I am familiar with the story. It was a great thing that he done. What we have to understand is this... how does one recieve eternal life? There are many views on this but I will share mine... There is only one way to eternal life and that is through Jesus Christ. There are a lot of good people in this world that do similar things and some even greater but that will not get us to heaven according to scripture. I agree he was influental in leading the peole to do what they done... I am sure he was a great person.... but sorry to say 82abn none of us will get to heaven because we are good peole. I do not know where he stood with God.. so I cannot be his judge. What I can say is according to scripture God does not support being a homosexual.. so therefor just as any other sin there must be repentance. I hope that answered your question.

[jtw61194]

When I ask this, please understand that I'm not trying to be argumentative. Imagine that! What if we were talking about another passenger who cussed every other word and never asked repentence. Would he follow the same footsteps as the homosexual? I did some reading yesterday on the Westboro Baptist Church homepage(www.godhatesfags.com). I don't know if you all are familiar with this group. They are the ones who picket killed soldier's funerals and I believe they were planning on picketing some of the murdered VT victims. They carry picket signs that say, "God Hates Fags!" and a lot of other pretty raunchy stuff. They have all the scripture that says what they are doing is good and Christian, but is filled with so much hate and venom. Do they read the same Bible and belong to the same denomination as you? This is where religion confuses me. I was taught that you should be loving and compassionate to your fellow people and these people seem to do the exact opposite. And they quote scriptures, also. So, what gives?